Us allies agree on aid plan for syrian rebels

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US, allies agree on aid plan for Syrian rebels

WASHINGTON -- The United States and its principal European and Arab allies have agreed on a unified way of providing Syrian rebel groups with aid, classifying them into those who should receive arms supplies and other assistance, those who are ineligible because of clear extremist ties, and those whose eligibility requires further discussion, according to US and allied officials.

Along with new initiatives by the United States and others to increase weapons shipments, rebel training, intelligence and other support, the plan -- set during a US-led meeting of intelligence chiefs here last week -- is designed to overcome divisions among governments that have been deeply split over which opposition groups to aid and what to supply.

"The idea is that no country will act unilaterally, and all will abide by the same understanding," said one Arab official. The official called the listing a "living document" that will be constantly updated as rebel alliances shift.

It is far from the first effort to organize outside assistance over the past two years of Syria's grueling civil war. Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, France and the United States, among those who participated in last week's meeting, have often disagreed over how to bolster the opposition and undermine Syrian President Bashar Assad.

But officials from several European and Arab governments represented at the intelligence gathering and at other high-level US meetings in recent weeks -- many of whom have complained in the past about a lack of administration leadership -- said there has been a substantive shift toward a more aggressive US posture and a willingness by others to follow that lead.

While foreign officials praised a new administration sense of "urgency," US officials hailed a new level of cooperation from the foreigners.

All, however, attributed the change to the same factors. Among them are growing fissures in rebel ranks that have allowed a clearer evaluation of which are considered moderate enough to aid.

"We're seeking to take advantage of the divisions that have emerged in the opposition," a senior administration official said, pointing in particular to splits between the extremist Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and other groups. "I think that has helped us have a more constructive conversation with . . . [Persian] Gulf states and the Turks and some Europeans about how do we focus our assistance with a common set of actors." Officials spoke on the condition of anonymity about intelligence matters.

It was unclear whether the reassessment would cause the administration to move beyond its policy of aiding only the Free Syrian Army or if it was focused primarily on administration hopes that others would stop aiding those it sees as extremists.

US and European attention in Syria has increasingly focused on a spillover of the war far beyond the Middle East. New intelligence assessments have warned of growing numbers of foreigners within the extremists' ranks, including hundreds of Europeans whose passports allow them to enter this country without visas.

In congressional testimony late last month, senior US intelligence officials compared some rebel-held areas of Syria to al-Qaeda havens in western Pakistan and Yemen, and said some of the extremist groups had "aspirations" to attack the United States.

Additionally, Syria's war -- which has claimed an estimated 140,000 lives, sent millions fleeing into neighboring countries with fragile infrastructures, and left hundreds of thousands internally displaced or starving -- has worsened exponentially. The crisis, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said Thursday, has severely affected "nearly half the population of Syria."

Finally, last month's failed negotiations in Geneva between the opposition and Assad's government has left the administration disillusioned about the possibility that Russia, Assad's main backer, is prepared to play a constructive role.

Evidence of the growing breach with Russia is playing out this week at the United Nations, where a US-backed Security Council resolution demands cross-border access for humanitarian aid -- often denied by the Syrian government -- and warns of unspecified further measures.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has called the resolution, which is likely to come to a vote Friday or Saturday, a violation of international law under which only Syria can determine who legally crosses its borders. While some US and other officials said they remained hopeful of agreement, others advocated pushing the measure to force a Russian veto that would embarrass Moscow during the Sochi Olympics.

US and other officials said that new plans on the way to implementation call for stepped-up training of vetted opposition fighters and increased arms shipments. Most of the arms to the so-called southern front will continue to come from Saudi Arabia, which is supplying rocket launchers, some anti-aircraft capability, heavy machine guns and armored vehicles in addition to small arms and ammunition.

US officials said there are no plans to turn the CIA-operated training and arms assistance program over to the US military.

In addition, there are still-developing plans under the new agreements to open more robust supply routes in the north, through Turkey, where so-called moderate opposition fighters are battling extremists as well as Assad's forces. Until now, Turkey has resisted such outside operations, and some of the allies have charged the Turks with turning a blind eye to extremist infiltration. The White House said that Obama and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan agreed in a telephone conversation Wednesday "on the importance of close cooperation between our two countries to address the growing terrorist presence in Syria."

Not every US partner is entirely pleased about what the United States is prepared to do about the recent turn of events.

"This is deja vu from two years ago," said another Arab official, who noted that the administration's goal remains not to promote an opposition "win" over the Syrian government, but to change Assad's "calculus" about whether victory over the rebels is possible.

France has proposed that Obama use Assad's foot-dragging on last year's agreement to destroy its chemical weapons as an excuse to renew the threat of cruise missile attacks on Syrian installations. Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf governments have long insisted that US airstrikes need no more excuse than Assad's continuation in power.

Administration officials indicated the United States is no closer to attacking Syria than it was two years ago, when efforts to coordinate with partner nations were first seriously initiated.

"We don't rule those things out," said the senior administration official, who nonetheless dismissed possible US air operations in Syria as an ephemeral "silver bullet." "Those are always options," the official said, "but we still don't see a cost-benefit analysis in which they change the situation on the ground sufficiently to justify the extraordinary risk" they pose.

There has been no US acquiescence to a Saudi proposal to provide rebel groups with shoulder-launched ground-to-air missiles, called MANPADS, officials from several governments said.

The senior administration official discounted reports this week of major changes in the administration's Syria policy, spurred by recent statements from Secretary of State John Kerry and others, as "overstated. You would think we had a formal tasking" to come up with new options, the official said. "That is not the case."

Instead, the official cited "changes in focus, rather than changes in policy."
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-340033-us-allies-agree-on-aid-plan-for-syrian-rebels.html
 
Je suis tout à fait pour qu'on arme les groupes rebelles sécularisés, c'est nécessaire à la fois pour renverser le régime de Bachar et pour écarter les groupes jihadistes étrangers.


A @muskatnuss @Pareil @leonidas et autres négationnistes en perte de vitesse:

US, allies agree on aid plan for Syrian rebels

WASHINGTON -- The United States and its principal European and Arab allies have agreed on a unified way of providing Syrian rebel groups with aid, classifying them into those who should receive arms supplies and other assistance, those who are ineligible because of clear extremist ties, and those whose eligibility requires further discussion, according to US and allied officials.

Along with new initiatives by the United States and others to increase weapons shipments, rebel training, intelligence and other support, the plan -- set during a US-led meeting of intelligence chiefs here last week -- is designed to overcome divisions among governments that have been deeply split over which opposition groups to aid and what to supply.

"The idea is that no country will act unilaterally, and all will abide by the same understanding," said one Arab official. The official called the listing a "living document" that will be constantly updated as rebel alliances shift.

It is far from the first effort to organize outside assistance over the past two years of Syria's grueling civil war. Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, France and the United States, among those who participated in last week's meeting, have often disagreed over how to bolster the opposition and undermine Syrian President Bashar Assad.

But officials from several European and Arab governments represented at the intelligence gathering and at other high-level US meetings in recent weeks -- many of whom have complained in the past about a lack of administration leadership -- said there has been a substantive shift toward a more aggressive US posture and a willingness by others to follow that lead.

While foreign officials praised a new administration sense of "urgency," US officials hailed a new level of cooperation from the foreigners.

All, however, attributed the change to the same factors. Among them are growing fissures in rebel ranks that have allowed a clearer evaluation of which are considered moderate enough to aid.

"We're seeking to take advantage of the divisions that have emerged in the opposition," a senior administration official said, pointing in particular to splits between the extremist Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and other groups. "I think that has helped us have a more constructive conversation with . . . [Persian] Gulf states and the Turks and some Europeans about how do we focus our assistance with a common set of actors." Officials spoke on the condition of anonymity about intelligence matters.

It was unclear whether the reassessment would cause the administration to move beyond its policy of aiding only the Free Syrian Army or if it was focused primarily on administration hopes that others would stop aiding those it sees as extremists.

US and European attention in Syria has increasingly focused on a spillover of the war far beyond the Middle East. New intelligence assessments have warned of growing numbers of foreigners within the extremists' ranks, including hundreds of Europeans whose passports allow them to enter this country without visas.

In congressional testimony late last month, senior US intelligence officials compared some rebel-held areas of Syria to al-Qaeda havens in western Pakistan and Yemen, and said some of the extremist groups had "aspirations" to attack the United States.

Additionally, Syria's war -- which has claimed an estimated 140,000 lives, sent millions fleeing into neighboring countries with fragile infrastructures, and left hundreds of thousands internally displaced or starving -- has worsened exponentially. The crisis, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said Thursday, has severely affected "nearly half the population of Syria."

Finally, last month's failed negotiations in Geneva between the opposition and Assad's government has left the administration disillusioned about the possibility that Russia, Assad's main backer, is prepared to play a constructive role.

Evidence of the growing breach with Russia is playing out this week at the United Nations, where a US-backed Security Council resolution demands cross-border access for humanitarian aid -- often denied by the Syrian government -- and warns of unspecified further measures.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has called the resolution, which is likely to come to a vote Friday or Saturday, a violation of international law under which only Syria can determine who legally crosses its borders. While some US and other officials said they remained hopeful of agreement, others advocated pushing the measure to force a Russian veto that would embarrass Moscow during the Sochi Olympics.

US and other officials said that new plans on the way to implementation call for stepped-up training of vetted opposition fighters and increased arms shipments. Most of the arms to the so-called southern front will continue to come from Saudi Arabia, which is supplying rocket launchers, some anti-aircraft capability, heavy machine guns and armored vehicles in addition to small arms and ammunition.

US officials said there are no plans to turn the CIA-operated training and arms assistance program over to the US military.

In addition, there are still-developing plans under the new agreements to open more robust supply routes in the north, through Turkey, where so-called moderate opposition fighters are battling extremists as well as Assad's forces. Until now, Turkey has resisted such outside operations, and some of the allies have charged the Turks with turning a blind eye to extremist infiltration. The White House said that Obama and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan agreed in a telephone conversation Wednesday "on the importance of close cooperation between our two countries to address the growing terrorist presence in Syria."

Not every US partner is entirely pleased about what the United States is prepared to do about the recent turn of events.

"This is deja vu from two years ago," said another Arab official, who noted that the administration's goal remains not to promote an opposition "win" over the Syrian government, but to change Assad's "calculus" about whether victory over the rebels is possible.

France has proposed that Obama use Assad's foot-dragging on last year's agreement to destroy its chemical weapons as an excuse to renew the threat of cruise missile attacks on Syrian installations. Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf governments have long insisted that US airstrikes need no more excuse than Assad's continuation in power.

Administration officials indicated the United States is no closer to attacking Syria than it was two years ago, when efforts to coordinate with partner nations were first seriously initiated.

"We don't rule those things out," said the senior administration official, who nonetheless dismissed possible US air operations in Syria as an ephemeral "silver bullet." "Those are always options," the official said, "but we still don't see a cost-benefit analysis in which they change the situation on the ground sufficiently to justify the extraordinary risk" they pose.

There has been no US acquiescence to a Saudi proposal to provide rebel groups with shoulder-launched ground-to-air missiles, called MANPADS, officials from several governments said.

The senior administration official discounted reports this week of major changes in the administration's Syria policy, spurred by recent statements from Secretary of State John Kerry and others, as "overstated. You would think we had a formal tasking" to come up with new options, the official said. "That is not the case."

Instead, the official cited "changes in focus, rather than changes in policy."
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-340033-us-allies-agree-on-aid-plan-for-syrian-rebels.html
 
Je suis tout à fait pour qu'on arme les groupes rebelles sécularisés, c'est nécessaire à la fois pour renverser le régime de Bachar et pour écarter les groupes jihadistes étrangers.

Bref tu es pro ingérence
Quelque soit le pouvoir en place déstabilisé, tu seras en accord avec les terroristes occidentaux, fouteurs de trouble.
Comment peux tu faire alliance avec la faucheuse et t'en féliciter?
 
Bref tu es pro ingérence
Quelque soit le pouvoir en place déstabilisé, tu seras en accord avec les terroristes occidentaux, fouteurs de trouble.
Comment peux tu faire alliance avec la faucheuse et t'en féliciter?


Toi l'ingérence russe en Syrie ou en Ukraine, ou iranienne en Syrie ne te dérange pas non plus, si?

Sinon, tu me prêtes beaucoup de poids à m'imaginer nouer des alliances, lol.
 
Toi l'ingérence russe en Syrie ou en Ukraine, ou iranienne en Syrie ne te dérange pas non plus, si?

Sinon, tu me prêtes beaucoup de poids à m'imaginer nouer des alliances, lol.

Le soutien russe en syrie, ukraine, celui de l'Iran en Syrie n'ont été que des réactions successives à l'ingérence occidentale. Ces pays ont tous été échaudés par les stratégies de chaos des chicago boys, tu m'étonnes qu'ils se rapprochent de leurs partenaires commerciaux dans le but de soutenir logistiquement le pouvoir en place.
Cela aurait été dramatique si Poutine ne s'était pas dressé contre l'axe du mal, apparemment toi tu aurais préféré plus de sang.
 
Répond sur le reste si ce passage te crispe
Montre moi que t'es un homme, un vrai

Je suis tout a fait contre le soutien armé ou financier des pays non-musulmans aux rebelles syriens !
un accord doit être trouvé entre tous les pays musulmans importants pour mettre un terme a 2 ans de chaos et éradiquer les extrémistes qui rêveraient d'un califat s'étendant de l'Irak a la Syrie.
ps : n'emploie pas ce mot "négationniste" à tort et a travers. Merci.
 
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Syrie: USA et pays arabes soutiennent la rébellion contre les islamistes

Les Etats-Unis, l'Arabie saoudite et le Qatar fournissent un soutien aux rebelles syriens qui tiennent tête aux islamistes, rapporte le quotidien britannique Daily Telegraph.

"Au moment où les leaders occidentaux encouragent publiquement le régime et l'opposition de Syrie à participer à la conférence de paix "Genêve-2" qui débute mercredi, Washington soutient en secret l'Arabie saoudite et le Qatar qui financent et arment les groupes rebelles luttant sur le sol syrien contre l'Etat islamique en Irak et au Levant (EIIL), groupuscule affilé à Al-Qaïda", écrit le journal, se référant à des sources diplomatiques et au sein de l'opposition syrienne armée.

Une délégation regroupant des officiels américains et saoudiens s'est entretenue fin décembre en Turquie avec la rébellion syrienne au sujet de l'EIIL, écrit le Daily Telegraph, ajoutant que la partie américaine a exhorté les commandos rebelles à attaquer les extrémistes.

Les interlocuteurs du quotidien ont souligné qu'aux yeux des services de renseignement occidentaux, les cellules d'Al-Qaïda constituent la principale menace. Il convient toutefois de préciser que Washington n'offre pas de soutien militaire direct à l'opposition armée, mais fournit une aide financière par l'intermédiaire de l'Arabie saoudite.

"Tout le monde nous propose son aide pour lutter contre [les cellules d'Al-Qaïda]. Nous n'avions pas d'armes pour combattre le régime, tandis qu'aujourd'hui nous en possédons en grand nombre", a confié au journal un membre de Conseil militaire suprême de la rébellion syrienne.

Depuis mars 2011, la Syrie est secouée par un conflit armé entre les forces gouvernementales et l'opposition armée. D'après les Nations unies, le conflit a déjà fait près de 130.000 morts. Damas déclare lutter contre des bandes armées et soutenues par des pays occidentaux et certains Etats arabes.

L'Armée syrienne libre (ASL), branche militaire de l'opposition syrienne, est considérée comme une force modérée qui mène un dialogue avec une série de pays occidentaux et arabes. Cependant, plusieurs groupes extrémistes affiliés à Al-Qaïda sont également présents sur le sol syrien.

Depuis début janvier, des affrontements mettent aux prises l'opposition syrienne armée et les islamistes radicaux.

Vendredi 17 janvier, Damas s'est dit prêt à coopérer avec l'opposition dans la lutte contre les extrémistes.
http://fr.ria.ru/world/20140122/200277581.html


Article contredisant cependant le soutien militaire des américains comme prétendu plus haut.
 
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