Hey Moroccans! Wait.. You can’t be serious? Non mais .. vous êtes sérieux là les marocains ?

[letstalk]

Many people are trying to find an excuse to Spain recent decision in favor of Morocco regarding Moroccan Sahara. Hessia is one of them.


This person is identified under a username Hessia on Bladi.net Forum.

I am assuming he is a man.

He argued that Spain made a deal with Morocco and here is the deal in his opinion:

Spain recognizes the Western Sahara Autonomy Proposal of Morocco on one side, and on the other side Morocco resigns and renounces on its rights to reclaim its two enclave cities Ceuta and Melilla and Canary Islands.


He did not, however, provide enough supporting details to his statement and opinion. And he should! He only posted another writer's opinion and it is a weak argument!

One of the ideas that were posted in that topic is that Morocco has successfully scored a goal by changing Spain's decision regarding the Western Sahara in its favor. Another idea to tackle Hessia's argument is that Morocco is doing one battle at a time like the English saying “Eat the elephant one bite at a time” and this was mentioned by macarons.

Sanzo also reminded him that “Le Maroc n'a rien signé de tel mais il agit par priorité et la priorité actuelle est le sahara.” meaning Morocco hasn’t signed any such deal and The Sahara of Morocco is the priority number one to us (all moroccans) and our government.

Another idea that was posted is that Spain is certainly looking to its benefits and its decision reflects that for sure. Spain is absolutely looking to building a stronger business relationship with Morocco. Morocco by all means is the partner number one in Africa of Spain.

Spain could say no to Morocco, but did not!

Why??? As Nasser Bourita said:

“The Morocco of today is not that of yesterday”/Le Maroc d'aujourd'hui n'est pas celui d'hier”

 

[deadlift125]

Many people are trying to find an excuse to Spain recent decision in favor of Morocco regarding Moroccan Sahara. Hessia is one of them.


This person is identified under a username Hessia on Bladi.net Forum.

I am assuming he is a man.

He argued that Spain made a deal with Morocco and here is the deal in his opinion:

Spain recognizes the Western Sahara Autonomy Proposal of Morocco on one side, and on the other side Morocco resigns and renounces on its rights to reclaim its two enclave cities Ceuta and Melilla and Canary Islands.


He did not, however, provide enough supporting details to his statement and opinion. And he should! He only posted another writer's opinion and it is a weak argument!

One of the ideas that were posted in that topic is that Morocco has successfully scored a goal by changing Spain's decision regarding the Western Sahara in its favor. Another idea to tackle Hessia's argument is that Morocco is doing one battle at a time like the English saying “Eat the elephant one bite at a time” and this was mentioned by macarons.

Sanzo also reminded him that “Le Maroc n'a rien signé de tel mais il agit par priorité et la priorité actuelle est le sahara.” meaning Morocco hasn’t signed any such deal and The Sahara of Morocco is the priority number one to us (all moroccans) and our government.

Another idea that was posted is that Spain is certainly looking to its benefits and its decision reflects that for sure. Spain is absolutely looking to building a stronger business relationship with Morocco. Morocco by all means is the partner number one in Africa of Spain.

Spain could say no to Morocco, but did not!

Why??? As Nasser Bourita said:

“The Morocco of today is not that of yesterday”/Le Maroc d'aujourd'hui n'est pas celui d'hier”

Do you Know most of people on Bladi don't speak english ?

I speak about me of course ..

 

[letstalk]

Do you Know most of people on Bladi don't speak english ?

I speak about me of course ..

Really! Your English is just fine!

 

[letstalk]

This topic is in French already

 

[Hessia]

Many people are trying to find an excuse to Spain recent decision in favor of Morocco regarding Moroccan Sahara. Hessia is one of them.


This person is identified under a username Hessia on Bladi.net Forum.

I am assuming he is a man.

He argued that Spain made a deal with Morocco and here is the deal in his opinion:

Spain recognizes the Western Sahara Autonomy Proposal of Morocco on one side, and on the other side Morocco resigns and renounces on its rights to reclaim its two enclave cities Ceuta and Melilla and Canary Islands.


He did not, however, provide enough supporting details to his statement and opinion. And he should! He only posted another writer's opinion and it is a weak argument!

One of the ideas that were posted in that topic is that Morocco has successfully scored a goal by changing Spain's decision regarding the Western Sahara in its favor. Another idea to tackle Hessia's argument is that Morocco is doing one battle at a time like the English saying “Eat the elephant one bite at a time” and this was mentioned by macarons.

Sanzo also reminded him that “Le Maroc n'a rien signé de tel mais il agit par priorité et la priorité actuelle est le sahara.” meaning Morocco hasn’t signed any such deal and The Sahara of Morocco is the priority number one to us (all moroccans) and our government.

Another idea that was posted is that Spain is certainly looking to its benefits and its decision reflects that for sure. Spain is absolutely looking to building a stronger business relationship with Morocco. Morocco by all means is the partner number one in Africa of Spain.

Spain could say no to Morocco, but did not!

Why??? As Nasser Bourita said:

“The Morocco of today is not that of yesterday”/Le Maroc d'aujourd'hui n'est pas celui d'hier”

Confusing the poster of the thread with the thread it self, is not a very solid argument either.
so just fr the record and in case you have trouble understanding:
i only did quote the words of the moroccan newspaper " bladi ", in order to express my disagreement.
est-ce clair ?

- Sanzo also reminded him that “Le Maroc n'a rien signé de tel mais il agit par priorité et la priorité actuelle est le sahara.” meaning Morocco hasn’t signed any such deal and The Sahara of Morocco is the priority number one to us (all moroccans) and our government. -

that sounds good. source ?
any morocco's response on that issue ?

once and for all : yes Im a man, can you hear me roar?

Hesse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ps : Pq ouvrir un 2nd fil, alors que tu pouvais intervenir sur celui deja ouvert.


Note to self : I'd already noticed, and this guy has just made me sure, that speaking english or even living in america does't make people smarter.

 

[letstalk]

I am just reading your topic and trying to summarize it in English.

I am not confusing the thread!

Why would I?

 

[Kruger]

Do you Know most of people on Bladi don't speak english ?

I speak about me of course ..

Dont say that! We're speaking english very well

 

[letstalk]

Ps : Pq ouvrir un 2nd fil, alors que tu pouvais intervenir sur celui deja ouvert.

I could.

I am promoting your opinion to the English Moroccan people who can’t read and understand French

 

[letstalk]

Dont say that! We're speaking english very well

I understand what he said and that to me is enough.
His English is amazing!

 

[simplement la]

Do you Know most of people on Bladi don't speak english ?

I speak about me of course ..

Brian is in the kitchen

 

[letstalk]

Note to self : I'd already noticed, and this guy has just made me sure, that speaking english or even living in america does't make people smarter.

What does it mean in French ?

 

[letstalk]

Cool

 

[Hessia]

I am just reading your topic and trying to summarize it in English.

no you don't!

I am promoting your opinion to the English Moroccan people who can’t read and understand French

so do things better, because none of what you wrote above is my opinion.
and stop trying to divert the principle subject to my person or my gender, and by attributing the authorship of bladi.net's words to me, exactly as the others did here, trying to mislead others by discrediting the fact that a non-Moroccan could show a better patriotism than you all.
just stop bending knees ridicoulisly pliz
My opinion is turning around my disagreement with any kind of deal that would consist in giving up a single stone of its territory in exchange for a more rounded speech on the issue of Morocco's sovereignty over its desert

 

[letstalk]

trying to mislead others by discrediting the fact that a non-Moroccan could show a better patriotism than you all.

Misleading somebody these days is not that easy. And I referred to your topic to be fair! So no misleading here.

If a non-Moroccan could be any better patriotism than Moroccans themselves, We won’t hear this madness in your voice!

All I am reading is you are not able to provide evidences to make your opinion easy to absorb by many bladinaute readers including me

My opinion is turning around my disagreement with any kind of deal that would consist in giving up a single stone of its territory in exchange for a more rounded speech on the issue of Morocco's sovereignty over its desert

Yes yes! But Morocco has not give up to any of its lands.

Morocco has its way of doing things and so far it is doing well.

I understand you don’t agree but doesn’t mean it was a deal, if yes, could you provide an article from Morocco government to support it?

Ok Hessia

 

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Spain had previously sought to remain equidistant in the conflict, calling for a U.N.-brokered settlement that would fulfill previous U.N. resolutions. But during a news conference late Friday, Mr. Albares described Morocco’s autonomy plan as “the most serious, realistic, and credible basis” for a resolution of the conflict over Western Sahara.

The Moroccan Foreign Ministry welcomed what it called the “constructive commitments” from Spain over Western Sahara, adding that the shift creates “a clear and ambitious road map” that would reinforce the relationship with Madrid.

Also the most trusted newspaper in the world: the New York Times does not talk about what you are saying here.

You can translate the article if you like.

Spain, Seeking Better Ties With Morocco, Shifts Stance on Western Sahara Madrid endorsed a plan for limited autonomy for the territory in northwestern Africa, but the change in policy was denounced by independence groups and could aggravate relations with Algeria. / L'Espagne, à la recherche de meilleures relations avec le Maroc, change de position sur le Sahara occidental Madrid a approuvé un plan d'autonomie limitée pour le territoire du nord-ouest de l'Afrique, mais le changement de politique a été dénoncé par les groupes indépendantistes et pourrait aggraver les relations avec l'Algérie.

 

[deadlift125]

Really! Your English is just fine!

I don't know because I do not speak english...

 

[letstalk]

What language do you speak?

 

[Hessia]

Also the most trusted newspaper in the world: the New York Times does not talk about what you are saying here.

I never claim that "bladi.net" is a credible source, but at least my questioning and speculation is based on a real information from this site whose forum we use. it might be a fake news, I don't know, but real and linked here..

too easy to deny without bringing any relevant source or the least counter-information, could you provide an article from Morocco government to support you?

 

[Pentarebus]

أنا لا أتكلم الإنجليزية

 

[letstalk]

I never claim that "bladi.net" is a credible source, but at least my questioning and speculation is based on a real information from this site whose forum we use. it might be a fake news, I don't know, but real and linked here..

This what I said.

It is okay to have an opposite opinion, the supporting details what make it more interesting to readers

 

[letstalk]

أنا لا أتكلم الإنجليزية

جيد ، هل تتكلم العربية أو الدارجة المغربية ؟

 

[letstalk]

it might be a fake news, I don't know, but real and linked here..

You are right, maybe the news is not a fake news

 

[Hessia]

You are right, maybe the news is not a fake news

well said, although we hope not

 

[letstalk]

We really do

 

[Hessia]

Looks like the Westerners act in politics towards the Arabs, exactly as their ancestors acted towards the chiefs of the tribes of black Africa by offering them all sorts of nonsense, false jewels and other fantasies, words of praise... well, whatever these primitive men wanted to hear, in exchange for slaves

 

[Hessia]

We really do

really or you're making fun of me ?

 

[Hessia]

You are right, maybe the news is not a fake news

it is quite rare here to see someone changing his mind so quickly, what makes you think so ?

 

[letstalk]

really or you're making fun of me ?

Not at all, I am not making fun of you

 

[letstalk]

it is quite rare here to see someone changing his mind so quickly, what makes you think so ?

I think, the healthy mind is the one that is able to welcome new ideas and approaches to what’s being argued about, what do you think?

 

[letstalk]

Looks like the Westerners act in politics towards the Arabs, exactly as their ancestors acted towards the chiefs of the tribes of black Africa by offering them all sorts of nonsense, false jewels and other fantasies, words of praise... well, whatever these primitive men wanted to hear, in exchange for slaves

Arabs are not black. I think the two above scenarios are quite different

Spain never said what Morocco wanted to hear!

Spain looked after its benefits and its decision was based on how valuable Morocco as a partner unlike Algeria

 

[letstalk]

Morocco has now something to offer and Spain knows that

 

[najjar]

Many people are trying to find an excuse to Spain recent decision in favor of Morocco regarding Moroccan Sahara. Hessia is one of them.


This person is identified under a username Hessia on Bladi.net Forum.

I am assuming he is a man.

He argued that Spain made a deal with Morocco and here is the deal in his opinion:

Spain recognizes the Western Sahara Autonomy Proposal of Morocco on one side, and on the other side Morocco resigns and renounces on its rights to reclaim its two enclave cities Ceuta and Melilla and Canary Islands.


He did not, however, provide enough supporting details to his statement and opinion. And he should! He only posted another writer's opinion and it is a weak argument!

One of the ideas that were posted in that topic is that Morocco has successfully scored a goal by changing Spain's decision regarding the Western Sahara in its favor. Another idea to tackle Hessia's argument is that Morocco is doing one battle at a time like the English saying “Eat the elephant one bite at a time” and this was mentioned by macarons.

Sanzo also reminded him that “Le Maroc n'a rien signé de tel mais il agit par priorité et la priorité actuelle est le sahara.” meaning Morocco hasn’t signed any such deal and The Sahara of Morocco is the priority number one to us (all moroccans) and our government.

Another idea that was posted is that Spain is certainly looking to its benefits and its decision reflects that for sure. Spain is absolutely looking to building a stronger business relationship with Morocco. Morocco by all means is the partner number one in Africa of Spain.

Spain could say no to Morocco, but did not!

Why??? As Nasser Bourita said:

“The Morocco of today is not that of yesterday”/Le Maroc d'aujourd'hui n'est pas celui d'hier”

Then do not waste your time and energy on fake news and pointless analysis and opinions, so as not to help the dissemination of this virus called misinformation that have already reached stage 4, you inadvertently keep alive by posting on this thread. IGNORE them, do not even innocently share their misinformation on the Internet and they will vanish in no time.
One day or another the two enclaves will return to Morocco InshaAllah, and who cares what the Spaniards said or spread such nonsense, they no longer have a say about WS, the days of colonization and the scramble for Africa are long gone, I know, I know some folks have hard time turning the page.
Take good care Akhi.

 

[Hessia]

Then do not waste your time and energy on fake news and pointless analysis and opinions, so as not to help the dissemination of this virus called misinformation that have already reached stage 4, you inadvertently keep alive by posting on this thread. IGNORE them, do not even innocently share their misinformation on the Internet and they will vanish in no time.
One day or another the two enclaves will return to Morocco InshaAllah, and who cares what the Spaniards said or spread such nonsense, they no longer have a say about WS, the days of colonization and the scramble for Africa are long gone, I know, I know some folks have hard time turning the page.
Take good care Akhi.

I'm getting used to this kind of e-flies!
if you think a debate is not so exciting for you, don't waste other's time and just move on.. because asking people in an injunctive way, to stop talking, is simply not appropriate in our environments.
Are you living there ?
i know for sure, what apparently you need to learn, that providing valid arguments is not always so easy , or maybe you ignore your free speech rights.
Alas, you came in too late mate, we've just passed this level.

 

[Hessia]

I think, the healthy mind is the one that is able to welcome new ideas and approaches to what’s being argued about, what do you think?

I think so too.
It is okaye to seek to increase our intelligence by accepting to evolve our ideas when they seem to be supported by valid arguments .. at the moment.

 

[Zaheer73]

Brian is in the kitchen

Bizarre, quand je prononce cette phrase, ça fait allemand.