Les ordres comptables CGA CMA et CA fusionnent en un seul ordre CPA

yassine2500

yassine2500

Salam tout le monde,

Il y a des news sur le fusion des 3 ordres comptables canadiens CGA, CA et CMA en un seul ordre comptable CPA genre le CPA Certified Public Accountant Américain. Il parait qu'au Quebec c'est déjà fait a travers une loi vote dans l'assemble nationale. Au Maroc le titre CGA est reconnu pour l'expertise mais il y aura plus de titre CGA, donc c'est quoi les répercussions de tout ca? Il y a pleins de monde que je pense qui va être touche par ça. Myousra tu penses quoi de cette reforme? http://cpacanada.ca/fr/
 
haha merci pour le poste ;)

bah écoute, je suis pas heureuse comme la plupart des CA (ou candidat au titre CA). Notre parcours est bien spécifique et se faire amalgamer avec des CGA et CMA cest pas la joie..mais bon..en terme de marché d'emploi ca change pas grand chose jimagine puisque les CGA et CMA avait deja l'option de se spécialiser dans des cabinets.

Le titre de CPA ouvre beaucoup de porte à l'international puisque plusieurs pays reconnaissent ce titre

il y a aussi le fait qu'ils vont devoir changer les parcours universitaires et les examens de l'ordre..mais bon je ne suis pas directement touché.
Moi ce qui m'embête cest vrm l'unification des titres existant. Je ne dénigre pas les CGA ou les CMA..mais leurs compétences sont bien différentes, et les mettre au pied d'égalité avec nous..bah ca me chante pas..mais cest pas la mort, ca devait arriver un jour ou l'autre.
 
Dear Yassine

there should be no problem for Moroccans who intend to prepare for the Canadian CGA title and then apply for equivalence with the moroccan diploma of expert comptable
As there is no all-time valid equivalence with the moroccan diploma and there is no reciprocity agreement between the two professional bodies.
Let me put this in clear words, to have the equivalence, every CGA must apply in person for his own case
But it is clear that the processus should be easier for new CGA as the title is already known by the equivalence committe which is within with the Moroccan ministry of higher education
If you check the official gazette, you will notice that the equivalnce ruling states the equivalnce of the CGA title but is limited to the applicant as this ruling states the name of the bachelor s degree and the issuing uinversity
You can check the official gazette (sgg.gov.ma) issue N 5901, page 5377

technically the new canadian title is a sort of an umbrella title as constituent accountants keep thei original title for a while
From the legal standpoint, there should be no impact of this change on Moroccan procedures, it is just a sort of name change, not a radical change

One more point is that the canadian title CPA stands for Chartered Professional Accountant and is completely distinct from the American title CPA which stands for Certified Public Accountant
And as far as i know that has been no recognition of the canadian title by overseas professional bodies
@Youssra, can you elaborate on this,what countries recognize the canadian CPA

Another important thing is that the canadian CPA has not been endorsed in all provinces, for example, in Ontario , we have rejected the unification and
i use only the title CA
Personally i don t like the new title as it introduces confusion to the american title holders.
I am personally US CPA and i have to add the state of licensing in brackets to avoid confusin


From a global perspective, the unification is a good move but at this stage , i would have welcomed only CA and CGA as CMA have different perspective
Unification is also an international trend for example US CPA have set up a joint venture with UK CMA
the UK has 5 professional bodies and are seriously thinking about unification

Am actually new to Quebec and have noticed the apparent friction between CA's and CGA's but could not understand it.
CGA s think that CA s are arrogant, so i try to hide my CA membership to CGA students , :)

Finally and due to personal experience, i can tell you that the moroccan diploma is the toughest of all the professional diplomas
I could not have completed the curriculum if i was not too young

I would be more than happy to feed back on any other question

Cheers
 
Wow, that was some super detailed and formal explanation I would say coming straight from the reunification committee itself :D. Personally, I'm not an Accountant, but I know what it is going on in the profession because I majored in Finance during my undergrad, and took some accounting courses as a consequence.
I was seriously thinking of becoming a CA myself at some point, but the friction between different bodies in Canada, and the lack of recognition abroad made me change my mind to do something else that would allow me to be more mobile on a global scale.
I think the major problem in Canada, and which by the way does not exist in the US, is that professional associations are regulated on the provincial level. It does not help members of the professional bodies because it makes it a pain for them to move within Canada itself. I think there should be a major overhaul of the system, and make it a federal matter that should be regulated similarly everywhere in Canada. Banks are federally regulated, so why should Accountants be any different?

PS: I agree that the Moroccan Expertise comptable program is one of the toughest over there, but it has nothing to do with competence. The program is made artificially highly selective by making only one institution in all of Morocco capable of delivering the title, ISCAE, because the profession procures power and is very lucrative. Many comptables agrees do just the work of Experts comptables but they don't get compensated as much
 
Hi there
You are absolutely right in all aspects but i d like to add the following
there are reciprocity agreements between Canadian institue of CA and major professional bodies overeseas ( including :France,Mexico,US,England,Scotland, Ireland, Australia, New Zealnad, Japan, Hong Kong, South Africa...)
I have been told that the CA title is recognized in Morocco but could not locate the supporting legal document (you know Morocco is strong at M (mana3rafch, machaftch...)
on the other hand, the moroccan (toughest LOL) diploma is not recognised anywhere :)

Having made some shopping of accounting certifications, i can state that the british CMA is one of the most comprehensive business-mannered programs,
One more thing, i have just come from Morocco, and i have been told that the ordre des experts comptables has refused the registration of a Moroccan CGA.
Actually the applicant has proceeded with the adminstrative court on the ground of power abuse by the ordre (exces de puvoir)
I would appreciate receiving more about this issue from knowledgeable parties

Cheers
 
Hi there
You are absolutely right in all aspects but i d like to add the following
there are reciprocity agreements between Canadian institue of CA and major professional bodies overeseas ( including :France,Mexico,US,England,Scotland, Ireland, Australia, New Zealnad, Japan, Hong Kong, South Africa...)
I have been told that the CA title is recognized in Morocco but could not locate the supporting legal document (you know Morocco is strong at M (mana3rafch, machaftch...)
on the other hand, the moroccan (toughest LOL) diploma is not recognised anywhere :)

Having made some shopping of accounting certifications, i can state that the british CMA is one of the most comprehensive business-mannered programs,
One more thing, i have just come from Morocco, and i have been told that the ordre des experts comptables has refused the registration of a Moroccan CGA.
Actually the applicant has proceeded with the adminstrative court on the ground of power abuse by the ordre (exces de puvoir)
I would appreciate receiving more about this issue from knowledgeable persons if they come across my post

Cheers
 
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